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GA Review

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Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 12:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
many MOS issues, WP:SEASON, WP:MOSDATE; do not abbreviate, eg "he'd"

"Degradation Trip featured two singles and was well received by critics" - two relatively different statements; split the clause
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Odd date formats, eg "9-17-11.". Please use either "mm.dd.yyyy" or "mm dd, yyy"

Use {{cite web}}, {{cite news}}, etc templates, no bare urls

Allmusic is the work; Rovi Corporation is the publisher

You don't need to write the url in refs. And the publisher is mostly not the url; the url is the work published by a publisher. An exception is Sputnikmusic.com; but the publisher for Canoe is "Canoe Inc" and not "Jam.canoe.ca" (you can see the publisher mostly at the bottom, besider the copyright sign, etc)

Blogs are generally unreliable, but after reading its about page, I am satisfied it is reliable (as being featured in MTV)

obnoxiouslisteners does not seem to be reliable. The authors are non-professional critics
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
not sure about this; do we really need information about touring? I mean, this article is about the album, not his tours.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
In "Critical reception" "overwhelmingly" is imho bias, as it also received 4 stars. "Overwhelmingly" would be five stars given by nearly every or every critic.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Dabsolver check: Fixed two dabs
Checklinks check: One dead link: Unchained Melodies ref
Reflinks check: Filled a few

Comments

If I may.

In the Infobox for Released this needs a {{start date}} template.
Length needs a {{duration}} template.
The "charts" section needs to be formatted to comply with Wikipedia's WP:MOS (look at Mariah Carey (album)#Charts and certifications). *Also this sentence "second solo album"? you mean "second solo studio album"? The sentence contradicts what the infobox states.
Why is "single" wikilink? (per WP:COMMONWORD).
"more easily compares" sounds WP:OR and does ref#12 verifies this?
Another WP:OR (and possible violation of WP:NPOV) sentence "overwhelmingly positive reviews" needs to be checked.
Why is Boggy Depot overlinked in the article?
SOURCE? for Sandy Masuo's review and J.D. Considine's review?
All songs written and composed by Jerry Cantrell needs a {{cite album-notes}} template to verify.
To the reviewer, what are the links that you are having troubles with? Best, Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 18:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I actually requested a second opinion to make sure there is no copyright violation, or close paraphrasing. But as I do not have any access to mtv.com, I need someone who currently resides in USA and who will check if there is any violation. --♫GoP♫_T ^C _N 18:35, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind.

Well there aren't any copyrighted information, however, this quotation from the author "When Jerry Cantrell says fuck Sevendust, I say fuck you, Jerry Cantrell. I hope you heard me, Jerry Cantrell." has to be written like so "... When Jerry Cantrell says fuck Sevendust, I say fuck you, Jerry Cantrell. I hope you heard me, Jerry Cantrell ..." Otherwise no copyright issues to report. Best, Jona yo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 15:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On hold points made by Ajona and me need to be adressed. It needs some work before passing. Otherwise it is not that far away from being passed.--♫GoP♫_T^C_N 13:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- 7 days have relapsed, and the nominator is unfortunately not very active. I will fail this article to give him time to fix these issues before renominating.--♫GoP♫_T ^C _N 14:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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